the ansers are here at http://www.ferrousmoon.com/wiki/index.php/VDPIN
This solves the whole problem.
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| Author: | Timeslice [Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: VSEC Solvers, redux. |
Well, I figured it out. I don't know what happened the first time I tried VSEC 3.0, but I can definitely tell you that it doesn't have anything to do with time. It's basically the exact opposite of VSEC 2.0 with an additional rule. Clicking on unlit squares works as in VSEC 1.0 (or VDPIN), and clicking on lit squares locks the server, with the exception of the LAST lit square surrounded by four lit squares. However, to solve it in a low enough number of moves most of the unlit squares that you click on need to be solution squares (i.e. ones that must be toggled to solve the puzzle). You should be able to solve any of the puzzles with only one non-solution square. Or in other words, it should only take one more step to solve a VSEC 3.0 puzzle than it does to solve a VSEC 2.0 puzzle. Regardless, you'll either need a solver, or you'll need to solve the puzzle once on paper first so you know which squares are solution squares, and which aren't. |
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| Author: | Timeslice [Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: VSEC Solvers, redux. |
Great, now all my VSEC 1.0 are acting like VSEC 3.0, and the VSEC 2.0 are broken: clicking on off squares does nothing, clicking on on squares locks the server. |
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| Author: | Rincewind [Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: VSEC Solvers, redux. |
It seems that tackling a VSEC v3.0 causes any subsequent VSEC attempts to malfunction. This manifests as the subsequent VSECs not behaving properly (locking on lit clicks in v1.0/2.0, not allowing unlit clicks on v1.0/3.0 etc) after a v3.0 has been attempted. In addition, it seems pausing the game while a VSEC 3.0 is up onscreen sometimes causes the same malfunctions in that VSEC. I have found the only way of getting normal behaviour back is to treat the 3.0 as 'dirty', and exit/restart the game before and after tackling one. This seems to work - although it exposes another niggle, that my key mappings disappear whenever I exit/restart! But that's for another topic. |
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| Author: | robmobz [Tue May 31, 2011 8:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: VSEC Solvers, redux. |
the ansers are here at http://www.ferrousmoon.com/wiki/index.php/VDPIN This solves the whole problem.
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| Author: | hans henrik [Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:20 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: VSEC Solvers, redux. | ||
in Onlink v0.2.0-a8 r15, CRC32 E905BEFF , write 0x00 to "Onlink-x86_64.exe"+3E7938, "Onlink-x86_64.exe"+3E78E0, "Onlink-x86_64.exe"+3E78F0, "Onlink-x86_64.exe"+3E7900, "Onlink-x86_64.exe"+3E7910, "Onlink-x86_64.exe"+3E78E4, "Onlink-x86_64.exe"+3E78F4, "Onlink-x86_64.exe"+3E7904, "Onlink-x86_64.exe"+3E7914, "Onlink-x86_64.exe"+3E78E8, "Onlink-x86_64.exe"+3E78F8, "Onlink-x86_64.exe"+3E7908, "Onlink-x86_64.exe"+3E7918, "Onlink-x86_64.exe"+3E78EC, "Onlink-x86_64.exe"+3E78FC, "Onlink-x86_64.exe"+3E790C, "Onlink-x86_64.exe"+3E791C and you're good to go..  (obviously not how it was intended to be solved)
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| Author: | ThePhantomPhat [Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: VSEC Solvers, redux. |
Even better, here's a site that will explain the rules of VSEC (Mini Lights-Out) to you. jaapsch(dot)net/puzzles/lights.htm#solmini I have no idea how its solver works, so you'll just have to learn how to use the facts. I believe the lit-only rules apply to VSEC 3.0 |
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| Author: | hans henrik [Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: VSEC Solvers, redux. |
@ThePhantomPhat a lot of VSEC's are not on that list, also according to the list, some of the vsecs are IMPOSSIBLE to solve within the number of moves you're allowed to use (though i guess that's a bug, the impossible ones) |
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| Author: | sentinel [Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: VSEC Solvers, redux. |
As of the latest build, all VSECs are doable. The javascript mini lights-out is a great deal of help, but the automatic solver isn't perfect - it doesn't account for the special rules in VSEC 2.0 and 3.0. So you'll have to copy the puzzle, solve it yourself in the lowest number of moves possible, and then input it into the game. Try to think of that site as a crutch instead of a cheating tool. You'll still have to solve the puzzle, but without the risk of getting yourself locked out. |
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| Author: | hans henrik [Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: VSEC Solvers, redux. |
where can i get this latest build? |
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| Author: | sentinel [Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: VSEC Solvers, redux. |
Windows version Linux version Btw, everytime mc2m launches some fixes, he updates the link version, so these links will still be valid as updates come |
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| Author: | hans henrik [Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: VSEC Solvers, redux. |
(short)(short)(nvm) |
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| Author: | Treckin [Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: VSEC Solvers, redux. |
Best one Ive seen so far http://www.ueda.info.waseda.ac.jp/~n-kato/lightsout/ |
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| Author: | syntax556 [Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: VSEC Solvers, redux. |
anyone still got VSEC_DISARM.CT.zip ?? |
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| Author: | root [Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: VSEC Solvers, redux. |
Spent a little time here and there and wrote, well, not a solver but an easier way than paper/pencil. https://www.dropbox.com/s/svk0bqln0x0jv ... .xlsm?dl=0 It's in Excel and has macros (so you'll have to enable those). It's not perfect, but it's fast. It's unlocked so anyone can modify the VBA scripting or feel free to ask and I'll edit/reupload it. Oh, and thanks for Onlink and its hopefully continued support. |
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| Author: | X2dl [Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: VSEC Solvers, redux. |
Love the game, hate vsecs. Gonna give it up until there's a solution. Can't validate copied programs or take down gateways. Hating it, bye |
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