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A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
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Author:  Dancerww [Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:13 am ]
Post subject:  A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
I found myself doing more and more boring jobs in this game so I tried to work this VSEC puzzle out on my notepad. It is useful when the internet connection is down and maybe faster if you're familiar with this method :wink:

1.Well principles first.

ok now we have a 4*4 board(Z for light on and O for light off):
OOOO
OOOO
OOOO
OOOO

clearly we know the relationship btwn the following two states:
OOOO OOZO
OOZO OZZZ
OOOO OOZO
OOOO OOOO
that ON AN EMPTY BOARD when we click the matching Zs in the left graph, we'll get the right state, right? Well here's the easter egg(maybe not to some of you)--this also holds in reverse--meaning that after clicking the matching Zs in the right graph ON AN EMPTY BOARD, the left state shows up!

2.ex:
suppose we have a VSEC prob like this:
OOOO
OOZO
OOOO
OOZO
in order to solve it, imagine to click the two matching Zs in an EMPTY BOARD, what would the result be? --
OOOO
OZZZ
OOOO
OZZZ
this one, right? actually this is the answer board--now on the VSEC screen, click the matching Zs shown in the answer board, then we'll get a empty board, bingo.

well i admit that i'm kind of math geek...just hope it can help you a little bit :)
Author:  FinalWarrior [Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
For your second example, your result is wrong. I'm going to use 1 and 0 instead of Z and O, mainly because I'm lazy.

Original Example:
Code:
0000 0010 0000 0010
First click the topmost 1 and get
Code:
0010 0101 0010 0010
Then click the bottommost 1 and get
Code:
0000 0101 0000 0101
(The final result of clicking just those two 1s.)

However, you're still kinda-sorta right. To solve the Example board, you would click on the following lights:
Code:
0000 0111 0000 0111
just like you said.

-- Griffinhart
Author:  Dancerww [Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
Quote:
...
Original Example:
Code:
0000 0010 0000 0010
First click the topmost 1 and get
Code:
0010 0101 0010 0010
Then click the bottommost 1 and get
Code:
0000 0101 0000 0101
(The final result of clicking just those two 1s.)
...
Hi FinalWarrior, I stated in my post that you should work it out on an imaginary EMPTY board, not the problem one. For the example you brought up, try to click the two lights in an empty board, then u'll get the result
Code:
0000 0111 0000 0111
Author:  FinalWarrior [Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
Ah, I get what you mean now. The line "in order to solve it, imagine to click the two matching Zs in an EMPTY BOARD, what would the result be?" threw me off. I thought you meant clicking two lights on a board that was otherwise empty (except for the two lights).

My mistake.

-- Griffinhart
Author:  Paradox [Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
OR for people who don't want to work out the formula... -Hints to the link below- Good hackers dont think, they google. :D

http://www.ueda.info.waseda.ac.jp/~n-ka ... index.html
Author:  Dancerww [Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
Quote:
Good hackers dont think, they google. :D
The hackers in Google don't google. They think, you know. :wink:
Author:  PowdereDPersuasion [Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
Or you can use the top right rule
Start at the top and work your way to the right. Not always the answer but good for 75% of the puzzles.
Author:  FinalWarrior [Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
Does that work with VSEC? I never tried. Never bothered to, because VSEC, unlike VDPIN, limits you to a maximum of 11 clicks, and also has edge-wrapping.

-- Griffinhart
Author:  Dancerww [Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
Quote:
Or you can use the top right rule
Start at the top and work your way to the right. Not always the answer but good for 75% of the puzzles.
Actually that rule is for puzzles without edge-wrapping, with 100% guarantee. Not working for those of edge-wrapping feature.
Author:  ogro [Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
Quote:
OR for people who don't want to work out the formula... -Hints to the link below- Good hackers dont think, they google. :D

http://www.ueda.info.waseda.ac.jp/~n-ka ... index.html

" Good hackers dont think, they google ".????
Don't take me to evil but this hacker thing is nonsense, that is just a game, a program as any other one using 0 and 1.
In the memory there is a vector certainly with size 64 or 128 bits, where there will be for position it activates 0001 or 00000001 forming a sequence of 64 or 128 bits, of course when visualizing that will see in hexadecimal, it fits to us to interpret what will see.

example
00010001000100010001000100010001000100010001000100010001 (3 inserted zeros)

0000000100000001000000010000000
10000000100000001000000010000000
10000000100000001000000010000000
100000001000000010000000100000001 (7 inserted zeros)

I admit that I didn't get to solve the problem, even after removing the limit of 11 attempts, then I tired and I filled out the positions with zeros and I passed.

hacker´s google?? HAHAHAHA excuse me.....
Author:  Vaius [Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
...You hacked a game to solve a puzzle?
Author:  ogro [Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
yes, it is that I didn't get to solve the puzzle and I was tired.
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