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     Post subject:A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
    PostPosted:Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:13 am 
     

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    I found myself doing more and more boring jobs in this game so I tried to work this VSEC puzzle out on my notepad. It is useful when the internet connection is down and maybe faster if you're familiar with this method :wink:

    1.Well principles first.

    ok now we have a 4*4 board(Z for light on and O for light off):
    OOOO
    OOOO
    OOOO
    OOOO

    clearly we know the relationship btwn the following two states:
    OOOO OOZO
    OOZO OZZZ
    OOOO OOZO
    OOOO OOOO
    that ON AN EMPTY BOARD when we click the matching Zs in the left graph, we'll get the right state, right? Well here's the easter egg(maybe not to some of you)--this also holds in reverse--meaning that after clicking the matching Zs in the right graph ON AN EMPTY BOARD, the left state shows up!

    2.ex:
    suppose we have a VSEC prob like this:
    OOOO
    OOZO
    OOOO
    OOZO
    in order to solve it, imagine to click the two matching Zs in an EMPTY BOARD, what would the result be? --
    OOOO
    OZZZ
    OOOO
    OZZZ
    this one, right? actually this is the answer board--now on the VSEC screen, click the matching Zs shown in the answer board, then we'll get a empty board, bingo.

    well i admit that i'm kind of math geek...just hope it can help you a little bit :)


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     Post subject:Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
    PostPosted:Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:10 pm 
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    For your second example, your result is wrong. I'm going to use 1 and 0 instead of Z and O, mainly because I'm lazy.

    Original Example:
    Code:
    0000 0010 0000 0010
    First click the topmost 1 and get
    Code:
    0010 0101 0010 0010
    Then click the bottommost 1 and get
    Code:
    0000 0101 0000 0101
    (The final result of clicking just those two 1s.)

    However, you're still kinda-sorta right. To solve the Example board, you would click on the following lights:
    Code:
    0000 0111 0000 0111
    just like you said.

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     Post subject:Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
    PostPosted:Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:26 pm 
     

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    Quote:
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    Original Example:
    Code:
    0000 0010 0000 0010
    First click the topmost 1 and get
    Code:
    0010 0101 0010 0010
    Then click the bottommost 1 and get
    Code:
    0000 0101 0000 0101
    (The final result of clicking just those two 1s.)
    ...
    Hi FinalWarrior, I stated in my post that you should work it out on an imaginary EMPTY board, not the problem one. For the example you brought up, try to click the two lights in an empty board, then u'll get the result
    Code:
    0000 0111 0000 0111


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     Post subject:Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
    PostPosted:Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:55 am 
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    Ah, I get what you mean now. The line "in order to solve it, imagine to click the two matching Zs in an EMPTY BOARD, what would the result be?" threw me off. I thought you meant clicking two lights on a board that was otherwise empty (except for the two lights).

    My mistake.

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     Post subject:Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
    PostPosted:Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:14 pm 
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    OR for people who don't want to work out the formula... -Hints to the link below- Good hackers dont think, they google. :D

    http://www.ueda.info.waseda.ac.jp/~n-ka ... index.html

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     Post subject:Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
    PostPosted:Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:12 pm 
     

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    Quote:
    Good hackers dont think, they google. :D
    The hackers in Google don't google. They think, you know. :wink:


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     Post subject:Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
    PostPosted:Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:53 pm 
     

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    Or you can use the top right rule
    Start at the top and work your way to the right. Not always the answer but good for 75% of the puzzles.

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    PostPosted:Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:24 pm 
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    Does that work with VSEC? I never tried. Never bothered to, because VSEC, unlike VDPIN, limits you to a maximum of 11 clicks, and also has edge-wrapping.

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     Post subject:Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
    PostPosted:Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:07 pm 
     

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    Or you can use the top right rule
    Start at the top and work your way to the right. Not always the answer but good for 75% of the puzzles.
    Actually that rule is for puzzles without edge-wrapping, with 100% guarantee. Not working for those of edge-wrapping feature.


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     Post subject:Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
    PostPosted:Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:07 am 
     

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    OR for people who don't want to work out the formula... -Hints to the link below- Good hackers dont think, they google. :D

    http://www.ueda.info.waseda.ac.jp/~n-ka ... index.html

    " Good hackers dont think, they google ".????
    Don't take me to evil but this hacker thing is nonsense, that is just a game, a program as any other one using 0 and 1.
    In the memory there is a vector certainly with size 64 or 128 bits, where there will be for position it activates 0001 or 00000001 forming a sequence of 64 or 128 bits, of course when visualizing that will see in hexadecimal, it fits to us to interpret what will see.

    example
    00010001000100010001000100010001000100010001000100010001 (3 inserted zeros)

    0000000100000001000000010000000
    10000000100000001000000010000000
    10000000100000001000000010000000
    100000001000000010000000100000001 (7 inserted zeros)

    I admit that I didn't get to solve the problem, even after removing the limit of 11 attempts, then I tired and I filled out the positions with zeros and I passed.

    hacker“s google?? HAHAHAHA excuse me.....


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     Post subject:Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
    PostPosted:Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:11 pm 
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    ...You hacked a game to solve a puzzle?

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     Post subject:Re: A little hint for those who get stuck with VSEC
    PostPosted:Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:13 pm 
     

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    yes, it is that I didn't get to solve the puzzle and I was tired.


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