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To all players getting caught by banks - PLEASE READ
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Author:  snerd [Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:09 pm ]
Post subject:  To all players getting caught by banks - PLEASE READ
I've been having the same problem getting caught transferring money from banks, and after some testing, I've come up with this solution:

The Log Deleter v4.0 goes through 3 states when you use it: Removing Log, Shifting Logs (X%), and Finished. With a fast gateway, it goes through all these states so fast that you probably won't be able to read it. On slower gateways though, you have an opportunity to click on the X and close the program (or disconnect) during the Shifting Logs state and before it reaches it's Finished state. If you do that, the logs will physically appear on-screen to have shifted correctly and everything looks fine, but what really happens is that you have left a blank log behind that can be traced.

So the key is this: Wait until the Log Deleter says "Finished" and sticks to your mouse cursor so you can move it around before you close the Log Deleter or disconnect. After doing that, I've been able to rob accounts like a charm.

Drop me a line and let me know if this fixes the problem for you.

Oh, and don't forget to delete your bounce logs from Internic. :wink:
Author:  Sabranan [Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: To all players getting caught by banks - PLEASE READ
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I've been having the same problem getting caught transferring money from banks, and after some testing, I've come up with this solution:

The Log Deleter v4.0 goes through 3 states when you use it: Removing Log, Shifting Logs (X%), and Finished. With a fast gateway, it goes through all these states so fast that you probably won't be able to read it. On slower gateways though, you have an opportunity to click on the X and close the program (or disconnect) during the Shifting Logs state and before it reaches it's Finished state. If you do that, the logs will physically appear on-screen to have shifted correctly and everything looks fine, but what really happens is that you have left a blank log behind that can be traced.

So the key is this: Wait until the Log Deleter says "Finished" and sticks to your mouse cursor so you can move it around before you close the Log Deleter or disconnect. After doing that, I've been able to rob accounts like a charm.

Drop me a line and let me know if this fixes the problem for you.

Oh, and don't forget to delete your bounce logs from Internic. :wink:
Hmm... It's possible. But I have followed this idea:

Get a mission to trace a large transfer.
Complete Mission.
Hack the account with lots of money, using all bypasses and plenty of bounces.
Transfer the money to my account.
Delete transfer logs on both accounts.
Delete Internic admin access and routed logs.

This seems to work (as it should). But sometimes, MUCH later in the game I get caught for this hack.

One thing I have found that seems to get around it is when you delete the logs from Internic, instead of deleting the routed logs modify them to incriminate someone else (still be sure to delete the Routing to the Uplink bank though) . You’ll see that person get caught in the news, and that “should” be the end of it.
Author:  bawr [Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: To all players getting caught by banks - PLEASE READ
Actually... I've been tracked down later on, since after I successfully stole the money, I transferred it to my main account. What you should do to avoid that - to be on the safe side - is to delete transfer *all* logs on your bank accounts, and make sure that no new ones get around.
Author:  Taggerung [Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:03 pm ]
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But how does the bank ultimatly track you down after uplink send you the later that means youve done everything right... ive been caught several days afterwards for hacking that one bank.... why? And yes i followed the advice listed above with the exception of modifying the ip to convict someone else...
Author:  Sabranan [Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:13 pm ]
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But how does the bank ultimatly track you down after uplink send you the later that means youve done everything right... ive been caught several days afterwards for hacking that one bank.... why? And yes i followed the advice listed above with the exception of modifying the ip to convict someone else...
There is a problem if you steal money and place it into an account other than the uplink bank one, then transfer it from that account to the uplink bank. The best thing to do is transfer it directly into the uplink bank account when you steal it, aside from that, if you need to make big transfers between bank accounts best to wipe the logs of those transfers (no need to wipe all the logs though)

Following the rule of using only the uplink bank account for "my" account, and deleting the transfer logs both ends + internic I haven't been caught.
Author:  Mursu [Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: To all players getting caught by banks - PLEASE READ
I'm not sure, but AFAIK if you don't delete the transfer logs fast enough, you WILL get caught, even if your rank skyrockets.

Usually I have to get my first million almost at the moment I can get those "trace a recent balance transfer" mission, since at that point all missions either A) require shitloads of expensive hardware/software or B) don't pay enough

Since at that point I seldom have enough money, I need to hack the bank with stuff like log deleter 4.0 (AFAIK the 4.0 is quite essential), level 5 (or higher if there's one available) proxy/bandwidth monitor disabler and ofc. the password breaker and NO hardware upgrades, since I can afford neither bypassers nor better hardware

Sure, first waiting for the b. monitor disabler to complete its job and then waiting for the password breaker to do its job is a pain in the ass with the crappy processor you get when you start, but, well, it's not like there's much choice. Usually I have to use insane amounts of bounce points, since cracking the password takes forever. You can, of course, crack the password and then disconnect, connect again, log in and get the proxy disabler running and delete the statement logs when it finishes, but that takes forever as well :/

Anyway, the key to not getting caught is deleting the statement logs on both ends with a v4.0 log deleter ASAP, that goes for InterNIC too (in case you don't know, do not delete the connection established log. If there's only a connection closed log it looks suspicious).
Author:  Mithrandir [Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:30 pm ]
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I believe someone also mentioned the fact that banks now do random audits on accounts as well, what i think happens is that uplink bank will do an audit and see that you have 1.2 million or so creds and no legitimate way to have that according to the logs in your bank account. as such they get you for defrauding a bank. If someone could confirm that would be nice.
Author:  Miah [Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:37 am ]
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I believe someone also mentioned the fact that banks now do random audits on accounts as well
That was me. But the Uplink bank does not do this. It would seem ill-hearted of Uplink to audit and prosecute their own agents...
Author:  prophile [Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:10 am ]
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There might be the occasional government-enforced audit of the Uplink bank however, so if they sent out an email with a warning a couple of days before...
Author:  Miah [Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: To all players getting caught by banks - PLEASE READ
I prefer to think of the Uplink bank as a secret swiss account.

However, I'm sure intelligence services from abroad tend to lean on bankers if there's a particularly valuable target. Hmm...
Author:  Lord Y@noz$ick [Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: To all players getting caught by banks - PLEASE READ
Here's the easiest way I was able to steal loads of money:
1. Find a "One of our esteemed colleagues wishes to make a donation" mission, which contains the account number with a lots of money.
2. Go (normally) to the Uplink bank and create a new account.
3. Hack the mission account using all bypasses, and transfer all the money to your NEW uplink account.
4. Delete the transfer logs on the hacked account.
5. Delete InterNIC logs.
6. Transfer the money from your new account to your main account in the Uplink bank.
7. CLOSE THE NEW ACOUNT!

Viola! I've hacked several banks using that method and they didn't catch me :] It's easier, because it doesn't require you to hack your own account to delete logs. I fast forwarded the game for a few months to make sure they didn't trace me.
They didn't :D

Best of luck. Lord Y@noz$ick :)
Author:  Switch [Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: To all players getting caught by banks - PLEASE READ
If you've got money in your uplink bank account, and there's no logs to confirm where it came from, I take it they won't jack you in for it because they don't audit their own accounts, yeh?

I think this following method works fine:

1.Find the bank with the account with big money stored.
2.Create an account at that bank.
3.Hack the money account and transfer the money to your new account.
4.Delete the logs in the money account. This includes the one saying where you just.sent the money (Your new account) AND the one for where it came from originally (Banks will wonder why you received 1000000c and then it's not in your account)
5.Go into your new account (Through the same connection; this is why I make a new account at that bank) and delete the log saying you received the money.
6.Disconnect, clear logs at InterNIC.
7.(I prefer to do this through a bounce, but I don't think it matters) Reconnect to the new account, transfer the money to your Uplink account.
8.Delete the new account.

And there you have it. I'm pretty sure it's fine, because the second transfer (New account to Uplink account) is a perfectly legit one and you shouldn't get done for that (I've now stolen from 4 accounts this way and not hacked Uplink bank once).

The theory is, the account you stole from has no logs on there ever having been money in that account coming in or going out, your temp account at that bank has no logs of ever having money coming in or out, and the Uplink bank won't ask questions about the only logs which are left of the whole ordeal which is the received money log.

I'm not 100% on this however, as at some point apparently the Feds found my wireless router, but i'm not sure if it's related.

I have another theory which i'd like to check; After transferring money from the hacked account to the temp account, could you access the temp account and modify the log to say you received it from someone else (A potential employer perhaps)? Because surely the bank won't check up on where it came from if it look like an employer.

Or, could you leave the routing logs in InterNIC, just modify them to some suckers PC, so if they do audit, they'll get caught instead?
Author:  master2004134 [Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: To all players getting caught by banks - PLEASE READ
That could possibly work (framing someone else), because then it points the blame away from you...

I've only done a bank hack once (a while ago), and all I did was delete the statement logs on both ends. However, with Onlink...Uplink's security on their bank exceeds the bypassers late in the game by a huge amount...so I guess it's no longer possible.

Hell, if you really wanted, use cheat engine and freeze your balance at 1000000c or something :D

Of course...that's only useful if you're lazy like me :P

I'll give some of these a try...that is...when I get to the point where I can do the missions considering my game was somehow corrupted (bad HDD + bsod = probable cause).
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